Security Theater Podcast

Episode 2: Joe Silva & Kirk Havens

Joe Silva trades takes with NIQ security strategist Kirk Havens on why vulnerability management is dead, what's replacing it, and the agentic AI mess already heading for your attack surface.

Episode summary:

Former CISO and now Spektion CEO Joe Silva catches up with Kirk Havens, head of security operations and strategy at NIQ, for a candid conversation about why vulnerability management hasn't kept pace with the rest of the security stack, and what that gap is costing defenders.

They unpack why another prioritization schema isn't the answer, what going upstream of the patch backlog actually requires, and how agentic AI is about to recreate every legacy network boundary problem at scale.

It's part reframe and part field report, with hard-earned takes on translating security risk for the C-suite, the governance gap coming for AI adoption, and what changes when meantime-to-exploit hits zero.